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Briarwood Wee Wicked Beastie *AKC# DN011479/03
"Beastie" is our male German Shepherd Dog

Lorrie's Rin Tin Tin's Casey *UKC# 172-9526
"Casey" is one of our female German Shepherds

Lorrie's Sweet Red Jessie K. *UKC# 172-9525
"Jessie" is another of our female German Shepherds

"Jessie" is FOR SALE, after her pups are weaned. $600 to "approved home" only. She is friendly and loves to go for walks and play in the water. Email or call for more info.


Lorrie's Abi Gail Force Wind *AKC# DL901610/01
"Abi" is another of our female German Shepherds

Kaila (AKC Registered German Shepherd Female pup.)
Kaila at the creek. 9 Feb., 2004.

Beastie & Abi playing

Beastie & Casey playing. (They Do Look Wicked, Don't They??)

I found the following information on this site:

This is a VERY interesting site. You will find much valuable info on this site!

You can contact her here:

"DrGSD Genes"

GSD Coat Colors

Coat Colors In The German Shepherd Dog!
How they develop from Puppyhood through Adult!

Color guide for proper AKC Registration{I wish the AKC would adopt this or a similar system to try and improve accuracy in color registration of the GSD.}If dog is Sable or Gray, check the box for agouti, and if the dog is a pattern dog {black/*}, check the box for two-tone, and indicate the color of the markings in addition to the body color. If the dog is a solid color, check only the box for the solid body color. White, of course, should be represented only as a solid color.

Pattern-Choose 1 Primary/Solid Color-Choose 1 Markings-Choose only if dog is agouti/two-tone
Agouti Black Red(br)
Two-Tone Blue Tan(g)
Solid Liver Cream(g)
White(Solid Only) Silver

The letters br and g are the abbreviations for the German terms braun and gelb, used to indicate red and tan. Gray (grau-gr) is used to indicate agouti, while the color is called sable in the USA. However, I've also seen the term gr (grau) used to indicate silver markings on a black and silver dog. While black and silver is rarely seen listed in the modern Zuchtbuch, one comes across it frequently in old Zuchtbuchs.

Agouti is a much better term than "sable" or "gray" because it correctly defines this particular pattern. A novice person can look up the term in the dictionary and get an idea of the agouti animal's appearance by the definition of the word "agouti". This is not true of the other terms used to define this pattern.

Two-tone is a better way to define the dog that is usually referred to as "black and tan." This pattern occurs in other combinations than black and tan! By defining the pattern as two-tone, the pattern would accurately describe a dog that is of any of the three dark primary colors and a corresponding marking color.

The marking color{tan/red/cream/silver/} is also referred to as the "ground" color. This is The color of the area around the head,cheeks,neck, and the outsides of the legs. The inner legs and belly may be a lighter shade of the ground color. White chest blazes, toes,or tail tips are caused by the white spotting gene, which is independent of the basic ground color.

The primary body color{for lack of a better term for it} is usually black, but may be blue or liver{two seperate genetic dilutions of the black}. Solid colored dogs may be black,blue,liver,or solid white,which is a recessive gene in an independent location from the location of black or dilute genes.

ACTUALLY, although going against the way color is usually thought of, the body color of the dog should be regarded as tan, red, cream, or silver. The BLACK is actually the MARKING color, superimposed to varying degrees and in the various patterns onto the ground color. Because people are so accustomed to thinking of the body color as the black and the marking color as being the light color, this article presents it in that fashion. In actuality, it should be regarded as the exact opposite.

Agoutis (Sables & Grays)

Agouti is the genetically dominant pattern in The GSD Breed. There are many variations within the agouti spectrum, however. Agoutis may be very light,with little black present,all the way to having so much black in their coats that they may appear solid black when seen from a distance. Genetically, agoutis may be pure for agouti, meaning that they can produce only agoutis, they may carry what I like to call the "Two Toned Pattern"{more about this later}or they may carry the solid black pattern gene.

Agoutis go through a number of lightening and darkening stages of coat development before they reach maturity. Agoutis carrying the solid black gene are usually extremely dark at birth,sometimes they look like solid blacks until they start to dry off and then the agouti pattern shows through in the coat behind the ears and on the lower legs. Agoutis carrying black usually show this in their pattern, a very dark pattern with black extending down the legs and present on the tops of the toes. Agoutis carrying the saddle pattern gene look quite different from the black agoutis at birth,they are lighter on the sides,with more black concentrated in a stripe down the back.{sometimes we jokingly refer to this as a "reverse skunk" appearance} Pure for agouti dogs{dogs that do not carry either the two-tone pattern or the solid color gene and can only produce agoutis regardless of what they are bred to}can sometimes be tough to distinguish by looking at them. Pure for agouti dogs can only come out of two agouti parents.
So far, I have seen few exceptions to these characteristic agouti patterns. I have seen a few agouti dogs that proved to be pure for agouti, that had the typical intensity and extension of black in their coats that is typical of black carriers. These pure for agouti dogs who had the "black carrier" appearance were out of parents who were black carriers.
I have seen agoutis that produced both black and white-these dogs were quite rich in pigment.I am seeking more pedigree and photographic data on agouti to white breedings.

Some agouti and two-tone dogs that carry the white gene, appear to reveal their carrier status subtly in such ways as having masks that resemble the pattern seen in bicolor and tricolor dogs such as the collie and doberman, with the lower part of the muzzle being lighter, as well as some other pattern differences. Much more photographic and pedigree information on colored dogs that carry white, is needed to determine the degree of consistency with which white carriers show these differences from colored dogs that don't carry white.
Contributions of photographic and pedigree data of colored dogs carrying the white gene are needed! Send your data to either the snail mail address on the front page or to Your dog's registered name will be kept confidential upon request.

Two-toned Dogs

When born, two-toned dogs are much darker than they will be at muturity. Some may even be so dark as to appear to be solid black at birth,and then when the puppy dries off the marking color will be visible around the anus and in the hairs on the top of the feet. As a two-toned puppy grows,the lighter ground color spreads upward and outward up the legs,chest,underside,and around the cheeks and ears.

Two-toned dogs as adults may vary from the saddle marked dog with very little black on the dog other than the saddle and muzzle,all the way to very dark dogs that appear nearly black. Two-toned dogs also usually have silvering through their coat at the neck,across the withers,and down the topline.The degree of this silvering{also sometimes called salt&pepper,or peppering}may vary widely from dog to dog.This silvering has nothing to do with the silver ground color gene,and does not mean that the dog can produce Black/Silver.The darkest two-toned dogs usually carry the recessive for solid black. I do not like to use the term "Black/Tan"to denote the two-toned dogs-as these dogs may be any combination of the primary and secondary colors-and genetically the colors are the same for these and agoutis,it is the pattern that differs between these and agoutis.

This picture shows an agouti dam and her saddle patterned "two-tone" black and tan daughter. You can see how much alike they appear, and how strongly the genetic pattern shows in the coat of the agouti dam. The agouti dam is on the left, her daughter is on the right. This pattern is very common in show dogs, being flashy. The dog in this picture has not had her coat or color enhanced in any way. Dogs in show pictures of this pattern quite often have had cosmetic help to richen the black and intensify the contrast between the two colors in their coats.

Bicolor Undercoat Variation

Occasionally I have seen pictures of GSD's with very different facial markings than usual,dark on top of muzzle and light below,rather like the pattern of facial markings found in a Tricolor Collie, Siberian Husky or Doberman. I recently had the opportunity to actually see and photograph a dog like this. It also had a light undercoat, much like a black smoke cat, where the outer coat appeared black and the undercoat was light gray. The owner stated that this dogs development of pattern was typical of the two-tone rather than agouti. This is probably a variation of the two-tone gene. A well known dog of this type was Sel. Ch. Countee's Flo-Jo of Windwalker.
Pictures of one of these strange bicolor variations from the front, side, and close up of the undercoat follow, along with a picture of Flo-Jo. I have other pictures of dogs of this strange variation that I will add soon. I wonder if this is a gene similar to the smoke gene in cats.
These dogs apparently are NOT sable (agouti) because they do not produce agoutis unless bred to an agouti partner.

Very Dark Bicolor Developmental Variation

I have seen an uncommon variation of the extremely dark two-tone GSD. In this variation, the puppy appears solid black at birth, so far the ones I have seen have all had the anal patch of the marking color common to GSDs that are not solid blacks. This is the only feature that distinguishes these dogs from solid blacks at birth. When this type of bicolor reaches several weeks of age, hairs of the lighter marking color may appear in the eyebrows, inner edge of the ears, across the front of the chest, or in the cheek area. I have only been able to observe a small number of these pups at this time, and am seeking photo and pedigree data on others that may be of this variation. Of the pups observed, some retained the markings, and others have darkened again and then regained the markings at several months of age. These vary from the usual two-tone pattern in that the pups appear black at birth, gain markings, lose them again, and then regain them. Of the ones I have been able to observe, one female at maturity appears to be a black with common shadings in the lower legs, except for her anal patch and a few hairs of marking color that have appeared in her eyebrows at about 21 months of age. Another one at nearly a year of age has slight cheek markings, eyebrow hairs, marking color in the hairs on the inside edges of the ears, a slight "butterfly" marking pattern on the chest, and shadings in the back of the legs (but the leg shadings are no greater than found on some genetic black dogs) and of course, the anal patch.
This variation seems quite uncommon, and more data is needed on it to further my knowledge of it.

Solid Black

Solid black is recessive to both agouti and two-tone patterned dogs.A dog must carry the gene for solid pattern to produce solid blacks. White is a gene independent of these three genes that determine pattern in the colored dogs. White will be more fully discussed later.
One thing I do not understand about the solid blacks is why some remain solid black as adults,and others have "bleedthrough" shadings of ground color,usually at the back of the lower legs and inside the rear legs. Everyone I have seen has been solid black at birth,and on the ones that ended up with "bleedthrough" developed the shading as they grew. Some of these can be difficult to distinguish from the very dark bicolors by looking at them. Sel Ch Die Herzogins JJ was an example of a black with quite a it of shading in his legs,yet he was genetically solid black. I have found that the blacks with bleedthrough and blacks that stay black may be born in the same litters. I would like more data to answer questions on this. For instance,if two solid blacks without any shadings are bred together-do the progeny all end up solid black,or can some of them end up with bleedthrough? I have found that the color of the bleedthrough does indicate the ground color the black dog will produce if bred to a dog of the agouti or two-tone pattern.

I also have observed another unusual color development in dogs that are apparently genetic blacks. They are born black, then develop very subtle (meaning sometimes just a concentrated sprinkling of hairs) markings in the cheeks, ears, chest, and lower legs. Some of these keep the lighter markings, some lose them again, and I don't yet have photographic or pedigree data from enough dogs showing this unusual color development, PHOTO AND PEDIGREE CONTRIBUTIONS OF DOGS EXHIBITING THIS KIND OF COLOR DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO MY RESEARCH!


White is completely independent of the genes for agouti, two-tone, or solid patterns that occur in colored dogs. It is also totally independent of either of the blue or liver dilution genes found in the breed. The white gene masks the genetic coat pigment of the dog, although it does not affect skin pigment. A good white should have dark eyes, and a black nose and lips.

Because white is in a different location on the chromosome from the genes for patterns, primary body colors, and marking colors, a white dog may genetically be of any pattern or combination of primary and marking colors found in the dark dogs. For example, a white dog may actually be genetically an agouti dog carrying the two-tone gene. When such a white dog is bred to a solid black dog, the black dog would provide the pigment allowing the genetic patterns of the white parent to show up in their non-white progeny. That is why black to white breeding can produce agoutis and two-tone dogs. Only if the white parent has at least one gene for the solid pattern can a white to a black produce solid blacks. The colored parent must also possess at least one gene for the white recessive gene for a black to a white to produce whites. Dogs of other patterns than solid black may produce any of the patterns and colors found in colored dogs when bred to white, depending on what pattern and color genes BOTH of the parents possess.

I do believe that the gene for recessive white is totally independent of paling genes.I have seen too many dogs of rich pigment born out of white to colored breeding,and there was absolutely no indication in the non-white progeny that they carried the white recessive.

Research data is revealing that the dog's basic color of red, tan, cream, or silver, isn't totally masked by the white gene. Whites who are off-white for instance, are genetically reds or rich tans. The myth that white dilutes pigment in colored dogs with a white parent, appears more and more likely to be due to the fact that when a dog is genetically silver or cream, a white out of that dog will be a whiter white. Thus breeders selecting for whiter whites, are likely selecting dogs that are genetically creams or silvers.

Breeding white to white will result in whiter whites,and that breeding white to dogs with red ground color will produce whites with more cream tinge in their white. It is interesting too,that when a white has cream tinge-the cream usually is in the parts of the coat corresponding to the darkest areas on an agouti or two-tone dog-possibly a further indication of which whites also possesses pattern genes. It is likely that breeders of whites selected dogs of paler pigment to breed with whites, in an effort to produce a whiter white, instead of white causing paling in colored dogs carrying a white gene. I have seen a number of good whites with excellent black pigment and very white coats. White whites with black pigment are the most desirable,but like good breeders of other colors,reputable white breeders also have to consider many things other than color in choosing their breeding partners.

This is an example of a white newborn puppy out of quality white lines. Note the rich black pigment of the nose, lips, pawpads, and toenails! Some non-white German Shepherd Dogs don't even have this depth of black pigment.

I am still collecting data to learn more about the white dogs. I am seeking more documentation-photos and pedigrees, to further substantiate my research findings


There are two different dilutions of the black color possible,diluting it to blue or liver. A dog with normal black pigment can carry both the liver and blue gene,as blue and liver are at different places on the chromosome. In either dilution, the blue or liver color replaces the black pigment on the dog. As the color genes are seperate from the pattern genes,the dilutes may occur in any of the three breed patterns: agouti, two-tone,or solid color. Solid livers or blues are probably the least common as they would be genetically solid in pattern{which is recessive to the other patterns} and also dilute [both dilutions are recessive to the normal black pigment,}Blue or liver dilution also affects the nose leather and also eye pigment. A dog possessing only dilute genes for blue and liver, is possible. These dogs are of a silvery gray "Weimaraner" color. If a blue is bred to a liver, it is quite likely to get a dog with normal black pigment that possesses both dilution genes. This is because the dilutions for blue and liver are on separate locations, and each parent would have a normal pigment gene in the location for the other parent's dilution. It takes two genes of the same dilution to produce that particular dilute color. Similar dilutions of black pigment are found in many other species as well.

The above puppy is a long coated blue and tan, pictured alongside its normal coated black and tan littermate. The blue gene may occur in any coat type or pattern of German Shepherd Dog, diluting the black pigment.

This picture is of a liver and tan puppy with a normal coat. Again, the liver gene can occur in any coat type or pattern of GSD. The liver gene dilutes the black pigment.
Although I don't have pictures, it IS possible for a double dilute (genetically blue AND liver) to occur, and I have recently seen pictures of them (and am hoping to get one to post here). They are a somewhat inbetween color, similar to Siamese kittens of the chocolate and lilac point colors at the early age when it can be very hard to tell if a Siamese kitten is going to be a chocolate point or a lilac point (when their point color first comes in.) Hopefully, it will be possible to see what their color development does as they grow up.

Common Dominant White Spotting Gene

The dominant white spotting gene found in nearly all mammals is common in the German Shepherd Dog. It is independent of the genes for the coat color and marking patterns in the breed. The most common sites for dominant white spotting include the tip of the tail, the chest, and the toes. It does NOT indicate anything as to whether a dog carries recessive white. It does NOT indicate whether a dog carries genes for rich or paled colors or dilutions.

VERY RARE Irish White Spotting Gene

A second white spotting gene occurs rarely in the German Shepherd Dog, that responsible for markings known as "Irish white spotting." This gene causes white spotting to appear on the muzzle, forehead, chest, belly, feet, and tail tip, such as found in Collies, Shelties, and a number of other breeds. This gene, in cases I have studied, is recessive. Pups with such markings usually come from parents who do not themselves have the markings. It is likely that dogs with such markings would not produce them unless bred back into a line that has produced these markings. I only have data on a few cases of this type of white spotting, and would welcome much more photo and pedigree data to deepen my knowledge of it. Like the dominant white spotting gene, this one is also independent of the dog's coat color and pattern genes.

Further Discussion

There are no known medical problems that I am aware of associated with any of the German Shepherd Dog colors. Many of the most important dogs in the breed,including the first registered GSD,carry colors that are considered undesirable by todays written standards for the breed. There are so many undesirable things to try to eliminate when breeding dogs, health,temperment,and soundness problems,that color prejudice seems trival by comparison. There are reputable people selecting for sound,structurally and temperamentally correct animals in all colors of GSD's and there are people who want a good family dog of the color they personally like, regardless of what standard has been written by a breed club.

When white and other colors were deemed undesirable, the knowledge of genetics was in its infancy. White was mistakenly associated with albinism, and dilutions of color were associated with weakness. Dilute colors may not be as pretty to some people, but there are other people who prefer the dilute colors. In some breeds there are problems associated with whites, but these are different genetically from the white German Shepherd Dog. Dilute blues and livers in some breeds have a reputation for skin problems, but whether that is a breed trait in those breeds or merely a bloodline trait in those breeds, I do not know. The scanty data I've had on blue, liver, and white in other breeds seems to indicate that skin problems in blue and liver are at least partly bloodline related, and the health problems linked with white in other breeds is linked to albinism. Being that the white GSD is NOT an albino, but shows the same pigment as other dark pigmented white breeds such as the Samoyed, the white color itself is NOT linked to health problems

Rare or Possibly Extinct Colors and Patterns in the GSD
Colors and patterns no longer existing in the breed-to my knowledge,include the blue merle and the brindle. Brindle is considered to be dominant over the agouti pattern, and if this is true, it would have been easy to eliminate the pattern from the breed, either intentionally or unintentionally. Unlike recessives, a dominant genetic color or pattern is either visible or not present at all in that individual. If anyone has photos and pedigrees of these GSDs, either historical or contemporary, please contribute the data to this research.

I HAVE seen a bicolor black and brindle GSD of good quality in type, and whose pedigree is of good bloodlines. However, unless DNA results can be obtained that verify the purity of breeding and accuracy of pedigree, I am hesitant to consider it as a mutation for brindle. This brindle has produced brindle bicolor progeny but strangely, as far as I know, hasn't produced brindle in the saddle pattern or agouti. The individual black and brindle's appearance is typical of a black and tan bicolor, except the markings are brindle. Frustratingly, the owner tends to procrastinate in getting photos of this bitch for me. She was in my possession during her puppyhood but the photos I took of her, haven't yet resurfaced after I changed residences.

"Silvertip" Puppy Coat Developmental Variation

I am also seeking data on the "silvertip" German Shepherd puppies-pups which have silver tipping on the black area of the pup and later the silver tips are lost. I have seen one photo of such a pup in Wills book on GSD genetics,have heard of a couple in a litter of long ago,but have no more data than that.
Update: I acquired a kitten of this coloration last year, and will post a picture of it soon. It had silver tipping that gradually was lost as the more mature coat came in, and as an adult it is a black cat.

Please Contribute to This Knowledge!

If there is any information available on medical problems proven to be related to certain colors of GSD's-I would love to see the medical and pedigree data on it.
Any GSD genetic information-photos,pedigree's history,etc, is most welcome, on any GSD of any color or pattern, and especially on the dilutes, progeny of colored x white GSD breedings, and the rarer forms of bicolor, the silver tip gene, and the recessive Irish white spotting gene. If you have something completely different, please submit photos and pedigree information for study. The only way knowledge can continue to grow is with open minded questioning and learning, Nothing in nature is ever 100% absolute.

Data may be snail mailed to DrGSDGenes, 6165 S 550 E., Walton, IN. 46994. (Pictures emailed often do not reflect the actual color of the dogs in question...actual photos are much more reliable as to accuracy.)
Identities of individual dogs and breeders are kept confidential unless permission is given to share it, or unless the same data is also available from a source accessible to the public (such as the studbooks.)

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I have had this info on here for quite some time, and the original Author, emailed me to let me know that it had been updated. (The info Above is the "updated" version.) She sent me a nice, long, INFORMATIVE email which I am including here, for those who may be interested.

If you have any questions, or comments, please email her directly at this email address:

Here's the informative email she sent me:


I noticed you had a page from my color genetic site on your webpage.

This is ok except I have updated that coat and colors page recently and the contact address for sending photos and pedigrees, as well as my email address have all changed, and if anyone sees the data at your page and wants to send me photos or pedigrees etc, I would want them to send it to the correct address.

The place at Walton,IN no longer exists, the house was torn down after I moved from there to my present location in Elwood, IN.

For a long time, I couldn't log into my website edit page for some reason, and lately I finally was able to access it and do some updating. I have a lot more updating yet to do also, now that I finally am able to access the site for editing it.

In the meantime, I also had the fortune to observe the color development in a silvertip KITTEN that was given to me. How I wish that the kitten's silver tipping would have been a permanent instead of temporary color feature. I have pictures of her that I intend to scan and put up on the color genetics site in the near future.

The kitten's coat gradually lost its silver tipping as it grew (the same way I've been told that it does in GSD pups as they grow), and she ended up a solid black cat. She had one litter before being spayed and in that litter, one of the black kittens was also a silvertip kitten, also a female although it's impossible to make any conclusions of any kind of sex linkage with only two kittens.) It does suggest a possible hereditary component though, since out of thousands of kittens observed over time, and out of hundreds that I've personally handled, rescued, raised, and observed, the only two silvertips I ever saw were this one cat and her daughter.

I'm always looking for photos and pedigrees and information on blues, livers, whites, normal dark dogs carrying any one of those three genes, and information on unusual color variations that I don't yet have enough data on to understand, such as the strange bicolors with the light undercoat that resemble the coat of a smoke cat in appearance. I also have noticed a strong correlation between certain "looks" to the pattern and color of saddle black and tans who carry the white gene compared to those who don't carry white, and a certain "look" to sables (so far my observations have been mostly in sables that were black factored or pure for sable) that carry the white recessive, in that their mask, head, and neck coloration and pattern distribution are different. I suspect that many more German show dogs carry the white gene than is known, but because German breeders would destroy any white pups before the breed warden sees the litter (SV rules are that a breed warden must check the litter within 24 hrs after birth, giving the breeder plenty of time to destroy blue or white pups before the litter is recorded.) Livers are called "browns" in the Zuchtbuch (German breed book) and are recorded just as acceptable colors are recorded. To add to the confusion, brown is also the German term for red, so a black and brown is a black and red, but when you see a litter of black pups with a brown pup in the litter, or a dog listed as brown and tan, or any other designation where brown is listed where black would ordinarly be indicated, you can be pretty sure that dog is liver. Quite a few well known Siegers of recent years produce liver.

The white recessive is so widely distributed in colored GSD bloodlines everywhere, that there is no logical way that German dogs and others aren't producing white occasionally if the truth were admitted. Recessives travel hidden for generations and only reveal themselves when two dogs carrying the same recessive are bred together, which makes it impossible to ever totally eliminate recessive genes. Germany has tried for years to eliminate the long coat gene from the breed without success, because the gene is a recessive carried by the vast majority of GSDs.

In GSDs there are no known health problems connected with either the blue or liver coat color and the white of the GSD is the same genetic white as that of the Samoyed and other dark pigmented white coated dogs. It is unrelated to the albino white coloration that is seen in breeds such as boxers, where health problems do occur in white dogs of those breeds, because of their color being due to albinism.

The liver coloration in the GSD is caused by the same gene that produces chocolate labs, chocolate poodles, and other breeds where brown occurs as a genetic dilute of black without causing problems.

Why the doberman does have problems connected with the reds (genetic livers) and even more problems connected to blue in dobermans or fawn dobermans, I don't know. I have been told by some doberman breeders, that its possibly bloodline related because some bloodlines of red, blue, and fawn dobes do exist that are free of color linked problems.

The panda shepherd is due to a dominant white spotting gene, a spontaneous mutation in the GSD breed. There are no known health problems connected to the panda gene and dominant white spotting genes are found in many other species of animals, as well as in other dogs. The panda gene obviously is separate from the white spotting gene in the GSD that is responsible for such things as the white chests and white toe and tail tip markings in the GSD. The idea that the white recessive gene or washed out saddle black and tan colors are in any way related to white markings, as some authors have written, is completely erroneous. I've seen solid black and bicolor GSD pups who had white tail tips, toes, or chest blazes.

Reddish, tannish, or orange tinted white GSDs are dogs who are genetically reds or very rich tans (instead of being tan, cream, or silvers). For some reason the white gene cannot completely overcome the red gene. Such whites produce rich reds. Whites who have very white coats on the other hand, genetically are usually creams and silvers and often produce very clear cream or silver marking colors. The white gene isnt responsible for creams and silver though, the opposite is true. By selecting for the whitest whites, breeders of whites unknowingly select for dogs who are creams or silvers instead of reds and tans genetically. White also doesnt cause washed out colors in colored dogs. I once test bred a white that was one of the orangish tinted off-whites, to a very washed out black and tan bitch, and the resultant litter was of all rich black and reds and black and tans. Even as older pups, the ones I was able to follow up on had rich black saddles, whereas their black and tan dams saddle was so silvered out it was hard to tell whether she was a black and tan or a sable when she hit middle age. I've seen many other cases that substantiate this same thing.

Better shut up before I bore you, I just thought you might enjoy knowing a little more about silvertip and once I get talking colors, its hard for me to shut up.

I also wanted to request that you update my page on your site to reflect my current contact details and also then you'll have a better copy of the page with the outline for better ways of indicating colors and patterns on the AKC forms, put into table form. When I originally wrote the article, i didn't know how to put things into a neat table of columns yet. Now it finally is done and looks much better.


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